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's ultimatum driving us to the fiscal cliff? chris and senior writer for the weekly standard, steven hayes the guests here tonight. we begin with the dictator trying to maintain command of the country using chemical weapons as a deterrent. fox news chief washington correspondent james rosen has the latest for us in this report. >> a regime helicopter captured in the skies in syria in a video unloads something, most likely, a defensive flair to detour antirebel runners, but that epitomizes the fear of which the serian people now live. rebel forces taking the flight to the assad regime inside the capital with a deadly explosion in the arab red crescent building outside the city. >> it's very clear the regime forces are being grounded down and that they are losing. >> in seeking to squash the uprising, he killed 40,000 people. president obama's top aids feel the fighting takes on a more gruesome character. >> we remain very concerned, very concern that as the opposition advances, in particular on damascus, that the regime might very well consider the use of chemical weapons. >> senior u.s. of
a barometer of what they happen to some of these stocks depending on the fiscal cliff. maybe things will not be so bad. on the other hand, now you have a stock in a completely separate sector. locate gap stores. all of a sudden end of last week, we saw this huge drop. the stock down about 15%. liz: what is it about gap at this point? >> >> it has been on such a great rally. i think there is some sentiment that because they did not announce any sort of forward diviiend that some of the investors are disappointed. with this thursday coming out with november retail sales data, people are thinking it is maybe not so good much like people are saying at apple that people are taking money off the table, that may be the same story with gap. liz: one story that may very relate is john woods the fact that gasoline went flat today has come down. down $0.10 over the past three weeks does this trend continue where is the next trade you cannot have high oil prices and expect people to pay high oil prices at the pump. in economy will just come right to a halt. i can see crude coming down to $82 re
the fiscal cliff negotiations. what you see is what house speaker john boehner said he is hopeful a deal will be reached, but also added the g.o.p. wants the white house to provide details on spending cuts. but in the white house wants the same thing from the g.o.p. but either way that is good enough for the market. we took off and we stayed to the upside. so far neither side has been specific on spending cuts so coming up in just one hour o ony 4:00 p.m. eastern, former treasury secretary paul o'neill says he has easiest way to cut spending. fox business exclusive and in this our whole host of leaders in business talking about what specific they want to see. in terms of individual standouts. apple right now about 2% to the upside. some excitement over the iphone 5. how is this for a order in china. brenda marshall says china unicom has more than 300,000 people on the waiting list. nicole petallides with talk about this earlier, but that is enough to boost the stock. sales in china friday, can you imagine the lines? sec don't airlines is soaring. up nearly 6%. delta says they will buy 49
to the 88-89 level. the fiscal cliff talks not going anywhere yet. during the next two weeks we will start to see some positive remarks. one thing that is very interesting, heat and oil settled in a very weak position. those two coming off could take the energy complex down much further. right now only 85 to 85.10. cheryl: we have plenty of supply out there right now. we are in the middle of winter. >> we have a tremendous amount of supply. we do not have much cold weather coming up near term. once the fiscal cliff starts getting resolved, you will see some buying going on. cheryl: bobby, i want to go back to you about europe. we have not had a lot of problees. seems like the greeks are kind to getting things. >> the last few days, europe markets have been pretty strong. as you said, a sleeping giant. cheryl: i do not want to see anything change. it has been nice. gentlemen, thank you. i appreciate it. great floor show today. uncertainty seems to be the norm in washington these days. last year you have the debt ceiling convey. congress had trouble putting together a deal. now the u.s. may
no progress on the fiscal cliff as democrats and republicans trade barbs over the issue. one group of americans is finding a way through this regardless of congress and the president. small-business owners in this country are preparing to hire. join me now, chief u.s. economist for i may just pull one side. heart of america group founder, and member of the jobs creation alliance and actual job creators in this country who say their voices not being heard in this office took with debate. also with us from the weekly standard, steven haze. welcome. great to have you here. i want to start with the conversation in washington and what the speaker had to say about the status of the fiscal here is mr. boehner. >> this is in the progress report because there is no progress to report. when it comes to the fiscal cliff that is turning our economy and jobs, the white hhuse is wasted another week. gerri: what do you say? we wasted another week. we seem to be getting nowhere, and now folks are saying the president is trying to entice us of the fiscal cliff. >> look, i think they're actually som
left to stop the u.s. from going over the fiscal cliff. staff and speaker john boehner's office telling fox business the lines of communication open, but it's an empty house in washington. look at these pictures. house members on their long weekend break, and the senate is out until monday, but not before working out logistics for a big event. a private screening of steven spielberg's lincoln at the capital. now, harry reid using his time to take a special waiver to allow unbuttered popcorn in the auditorium. that's what passes for work these days. the president's holding another campaign style event as the middle class families, and with more, michael burgess of texas. congressman, great to have you object show again. >> great to be with you, thank you. gerri: everything's hanging in the banse, economy, middle class income, taxes, you name it, and you and your fellow house members are not going to work. >> well, wait, this is a 24-hour day job, seven days a week. i'm in new york tomorrow looking at the hospitals affected in hurricane sandy, and i feel like i need to do the ground work
and that might affect the company negatively. wall street counting down the hours the fiscal cliff deadline, we have somebody who says this isn't the real fiscal cliff at december 31 isn't the real deadline to watch. we will tell you what it isn't how you might want to play it. david: how do i go flyfishing with paul volcker? or maybe lunch with business titans. how you can do those experiences with some of the top minds. liz: what drove the market with the "data download." david: if it is in ontana, i would take it. liz: stocks pushed into the green with all the major indices pushing into the green. longest winning streak in nearly two months. potatoes and industrials were the top perffrming sectors while they could not quite get it. oil for the fifth day in a row slip into a three-week low on concern over the italian prime minister resignation soon and the impact on europe's debt crisis. crude and in the day down $0.37 $85.56 per barrel. gasoline has come down $0.10 over the past few weeks. korn falling to a three-week low so far i'm growing demand overseas for supplies from the u.s. soybean
of the screen. we have lots more in the show. twenty-six days until we fall off the fiscal cliff. is that what democrats want us to do? pictures seem so. we go live to capitol hill in 10 minutes. while ngress talked about wanting to cut excess spending, the nbers may tell a different story. i will break it down coming up next. you stl think you're colder than me? nah. don tell me. tell tiny! [ ice crackling ] [ knuckles cracking ] and who are you supposed to be, back-up? handle it. what you looking at? ha! cat-like reflexes... whoa! [ male announcer ] the coors light silver bullet pint. it's bigger. it's resealable. it's still the coldest. don't you do it. don't you do it! [ male announcer ] frost brewed coors light. gerri: where would we be without senator tom coburn? without the oklahoma taxpayer dollars? this fellow brought us this image. your member this? the shrimp on on the treadmill. does anyone have? @%e national science foundation studying the effects on disease. they decided to do this, and they spend 500,000 taxpayer dollars doing this study. if you can get scieists to ste money, th
and speaker have taken no concrete steps to resolve the so-called fiscal cliff. president obama remains insistent that republicans yields to his ultimatum that he be allowed to raise taxes on those making more than $250,000 a year. republicans for their part insist that the president gets serious about cutting spending in order to reduce trillion dollar deficits and a national debt that is now mind-boggling league not -- monotonous. house minority leader disagrees vehemently with the speaker on how to reduce deficits and debt. today she offered a paradoxical statement on fiscal policy that would make both casey stiegel and yogi berra proud. the nation now just 24 days away from $600 billion of spending cuts and tax increases that will automatically kicked in. and pelosi has some wise words for washington. please listen terror. >> this is a moment of truth. the clock is ticking. christmas is coming. the goose is getting fat. in many homes across america it is very, very lean times. you cannot cut your way to deficit reduction. lou: that's right. pelosi says we cannot get our way to defic
the fiscal cliff negotiations. it is not painful until the very end of the year. how this benefits the company. adam: the note dropped 7.7%, the lowest rate since december 2008. that is just a headline. let's get to nicole petallides. the traders are reading a bit into this report. nicole: the first thing they noted when i came in here, a lot of them are talking about the fact that the prior month had been revised lower. the prior month which seemed like they were good news, in fact, were not as good as they seemed. they take these numbers with a grain of salt. the dow, nasdaq and s&p are mixed today. the dow is up about one third of 1%. what is interesting, this will be our third wedding week in a row. they have not been dramatic moves, but last week was pretty slots. jpmorgan and bank of america are some names on the dow that are holding on pretty nicely. the tech heavy nasdaq down one half of 1%. adam: a lot of people watching that jobs number. thank you very much. dennis: according to today's jobs report, the unemployment rate is down to 7.7%. the lowest level it has been to si
the fiscal cliff. dave: an exciting our coming up. we will tell you what drove the markets today with today's data download. of next week on wall street following better than expected november jobs report. the dow and s&p ending prior to eke out weekly gains, the nasdaq closed in the red ending down 1% a lot of that because of what happened to apple. financial and industrial for this week's top performing sectors while materials and technology lad a bit. the u.s. economy added 146,000 jobs in november as the unemployment rate dropped to four year low of 7.7%. today's report may not be as strong as it seemed, reporting employers added 49,000 fewer jobs in september and october than initially estimated. a preliminary reading showing consumer confidence plunging to its lowest level in four months. early december americans prepare for a potentially higher taxes at the beginning of next year. the index dropping 74.5 this month, far below november's reading of 82.7 and economists forecasts of 82.4. >> in the pits of the cme, michael tells us why dividend paying stocks are taught play regardless o
of a fiscal cliff. that is one of the speakers firmest in the strongest statements yet. >> this is in a progress report because theres no progress to report. the white house has wasted another week. there are a lot of things that are possible to put the revenue on the table, but none of it is going to be possible. the president insists on his position. insists on my way or the highway. lou: inconveniently the congressional budget office today reported that the federal deficit is already bulging. the cbo reports for the first two months of fiscal 2013 that number $2,902,000,000,000, $5billion more than the same two month time span last yar. and the labor department today reported the unemployment rate fell to the 77%. good news, the lowest jobless rate in four years. the lower unemployment rate, however, the consequence of the more than 300,000 people who dropped out of the work force altogether just last month. when counting the nderemployed and those who have gin up their search for work, the real unemploymentrate amounts to a 14th 4%. my next guest says the obama admi
, of course, the president. wile we focus on the fiscal cliff negotiations, or more appropriately the impasse, many of our state governments aren't in much better shape. state pension systems, unfunded liabilities are now estimated to be in the range of $2.5 trillion to almost $4 trillion. leading is california with more than $370 billion in unfunded pension liabilities, only 47% are currently funded. a pension debt per household in california of almost $30,000. illinois close behind, $167 billion in unfunded liabilities, 28% funded, and the state pension debt per household amounting to over $34,000. in municipal bonds illinois sold over $5 billion in bonds this year making it the third biggest debt issuer in the first three quarters this year. california and new york, numbers one and two with. the issue of unfunded pension liabilities with the passage of right-to-work laws is a subject that i'm going to be taking up with our next guest. -@mallory factor, author of can the bestseller, "shadow boxes: government nioos control america and rob taxpayers blind." we are delighted to have you with
? and despite the fiscal cliff, there are many positives heading into 2013. we will tell you what the biggest one is. welcome to "the willis report." hey, everyone, i am tracy byrnes in for gerri willis. the only have 21 days separate in the u.s. for more than $500 billion in tax hikes. while both sides say the lines of communication are open. getting a deal to avert the fiscal cliff, president made it very clear he is holding the line on hiking taxes on the top 2% of earners. customizing a little bit with republicans. joining us, peter barnes. what exactly is he willing to compromise on? >> on the big item, the big kahuna. increasing taxes on families earning more than $250,000 per year history leaving the door open to a compromise on higher tax rates, higher rates. when anas repea asked repeatedls demanding the top rates return to the clinton administration in and the top rate was 39.6, he does not say yes, have to have that to get a deal. but he is not backing off his demands rates go up by some amount of wealthier families so the buzz is he might settle or compromise for something in betw
, getting his gangnam on. our very own neil cavuto bringing his fiscal cliff news straight ahead. you're looking at gold, lots of it jumping into gold and silver% as a safe haven. actual bars of gold. help investors get in on the action. melissa: we have been talking about it on fox business, the next great government bailout. going to save the federal housing administration. time for stocks as with every 15 minutes, let's had before the new york stock exchange, nicole petallides standing by. down 13. nicole: this is one of those markets with a lot of anticipation. every focuses on the fiscal cliff. tomorrow is the all-important jobs report for a lot of folks have been hearing more economic news which has been more dismal lately. talk about more layoffs they have seen in november. right now the market is not too far off the unchanged line. the acidity holding 1400. the tech of the nasdaq still below 3000. today apple is now moving into the green and that is one of the reasons why it is holding on to a quarter percent gain. apple $700, 705 in september traded as low as 518 today. certa
came down. david: says watch out because there will be a fiscal cliff, and profits telling us resolution or not 2013 will be good for the market. let's start with todd, the dead, you have the whole shebang, the 40 billion, the 45 leanne in the treasuries, why did the market fissile? >> first thing we have to look at is the market expectation. we had a five-day rally coming into this. the market knew this was coming. david: hold on a second. there have been some reports that they wouldn't be going the 45 alien, they would stop short around 37 billion, so there were some expectations of less than this. >> the market priced in the full tilt. you saw after the rally they were a little surprised got a little spiked rally, and in resistance because that is the technical level we are at. it was a natural brake in a market that was overdone anyway. liz: let's not ignore the fact one thing a lot of people aren't talking a lot about right now but should, why oil jumped, white gold jump, the dollar got shredded today. when the fed announces these on buying programs or continuing of them,
words confirming that tax hike, coming irrespective of the fiscal cliff outcome. >> taxes are going to go up one way or the other, the key is to make taxes go up and high-end individuals, i am confident that republicans would not hold middle class taxes hostage to try to protect tax cuts for high income individuals. lou: obamacare, guarantees taxes are going up. 5 new obam obamacare-based taxeo kick in next year. a 3.8% surtax on unearned income, and call chains and dividend 18.8%, and a new tax on hospital care, and medical device manufacturersing' taxed 2.3% of the price of their products. americans get a tax deduction if their medical expenses exceed 7.5% of their total income that number rising to 10% for everyone under the age of 65. and government, for first time ever sending a limit on tax free flexible spending accounts, joint committee tax, estimates those 5 new provisions amount to $2 60 billion tax hike over next 7 years, president obama, avoid anything real negotiating on fiscal cliff issue, president doubles the amount of tax hikes he campaigned on when he unveiled his
willing to go over the fiscal cliff. moody's chief economist, deutsche bank senior u.s. economist telling us just how much that will hurt the economy and the markets, and, of course, investors and everyone in this country in today's money lineup, news on the economy brought life to wall street today inspiring some investors, the news an unexpected increase in factory orders up for a second straight month, and the biggest gains in productivity in the third quarter in two years. business activity, along with new orders, showing their biggest gains last month since the first quarter. stocks finished off their highs. the dow up 83 appointments at the close. the s&p gaining 2.25, and the nasdaq under the weight and pressure of the biggest stock, apple, dropping 23 points. volume today rising to almost 4%.2 billion shares. app 8 stock, as i said, today, laggerred and immense weight on the mark. that stock fell 6.5%, $37, and concerned about the lack of new products on the horizon, concern increased competition in the market might force apple to cut margins to remain competitive that added up to
consequence of this and by this i mean going over the fiscal cliff will be significant , but what i don't %-effort, either self delusion r misrepresentation of the facts. you all, as republicans control the house of representatives. as we saw during the debt ceiling discussions in 2011, it is not a pretty perch from which to take on the bully pulpit of the presidency. >> but i think what we need to do is not get caught ii the trap of the compromise is raising taxes. i think there are many other compromises you could have. for example, i think one compromises we could save some money and military spending even though i think that is the most important -- lou: 55 billion? >> absolutely. i think we could..3 a think we could also say that,3 you know what, the ridge could pay more for their medicare. the rich could receive less for their social security. those are compromises i presented directly to the president a year-and-a-half ago, and he has done zero. his party has done zero. they are hell bent on let's go soak there race. lou: with all respect, have you had this discussion with your p
of this and by this i mean going over the fiscal cliff will be significant , butwhat i don't %-effort, ither self delusion or misrepresentation of the facts. you all, as republicas control the house of representives. as we saw dri the ebt ceing discussions in 2011, it isot a pretty perch frm which toake on the blly pulitof the presidency. >> but i think what we need to do s not get caughti the trap of the compmise s raising tas. i hink there are many other compromises you could hae. r example, i think one compmises we cldave some money and military speding even though i thinkhat is the most impot -- lou: 55 billion? >> absolutely. i think we could..3 a think wecou alssay that,,3 you know what, the ridge could pay more for their medicare. the rich could receive less for thr social secuity. those are compromises i presented directly to the president a year-and-a-half ago, and he has done zero. his party hasdone zer. they are hell bent on let's go soak thererace. lou: with all respect, have you had thidiscussion with you party? what are they saying? those are atioional and effectie ideas. >> there
.s. falls off the fiscal cliff, speaker john bain ser slamming the brakes on any hopes a deal is coming soon, making it clear both sides have differences. second in command, eric cantor warning members not to make any plan for holidays, and kevin brady of texas, vice chairman of joint economic committee, thank you, are we still that far apart? >> you know we are. i started optimistic to get this done before the holidays, but, i don't feel that way, it seems to me the decision has been made, perhaps by white house to take us off this fiscal cliff. i think this is irresponsible to do it we're ready to work out a reasonable sound solution but i do not see that coming from the other side right now. tracy: is it because there is so much going on behind scenes. they think there is a lot of secret wheeling and dealing with john boehner and the president do you agree? >> i do not, i think he -- they have been sporadic talks, i know speaker boehner has been frustrated with how slow the responses have been. again, you know, not just tax rates it is authentic spending cuts, if we don't find a way to fa
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to hear out of the fiscal cliff discussions mailing the rates where they are. that will, of course help utilities. take a look at that excelled you. liz: that is exactly what we are doing. natural gas. it is up 4%. crude moving lower. tell me about that moves and natural gas today. that is no small chunk of change. >> it is kind of funny. everyone has different stories. i kind of feel left out here. it was a gooddmove on natural gas today. my primary focus is on crude. going forward, from here, i think we are just in a range. we got up to $90 on monday. i think we will staff a little higher. if we do go over the fiscal cliff, how long we stay there for stock. liz: you start to see some real moves and action at those levels. >> $90, we came right back off. until we get a more infinitive idea of where we are going, that is when you think we will see the build up above $92. until then, we are in a range between 90 and $85. you should just say armageddon on 12 / 12. liz: so great to see you on the floor show. they were simply the best way to get better yields. now more than 200 companies ar
of going over the fiscal cliff. let's get you updated on the market as we do every 15 minutes, stocks now. let's go to the floor of the new york stock exchange. the market having a good day today. nicole: indeed. we have been over the 13,300 mark but still holding onto stellar games, lori and melissa. so up triple digits up 110 points so really is a nice showing. 28 of the 30 dow components in the green. we heard from house speaker john boehner. the overall sentiment after he spoke is a few negative pieces of language in his speech that ultimately in the end he was trying to say they're trying to work it out. smooth it over, ultimately. they know a couple of trends we are seeing, technology, materiall, two areas coming under pressure recently starting to turn. europe seeing improvement helping equities along as well. lori: not sure if you mentioned the fed. we were talking about it at the top. talking about their expectations of ben bernanke. nicole: would even throw out the idea of stimulus? that helped things along pushing us along throughout this entire last six months. lori: absolutel
to the edge of the fiscal cliff. instead of reforming the tax code, the president wants to raise tax rates. even if the president that the tax rate hike that he wanted, understand that we will continue to see trillion dollar deficits for as far as the eye can see. washington has a spending3 problem, not a revenue problem. if the president does not agree with our proposal, i believe he has an obligation to families and small businesses to offer a plan of his own. we are ready and eager to talk to the president about such plan. >> you did speak with the president earlier this week, can you characterize that call. also, it has to be increases in rates for the wealthy or no deal. >> the phone call was pleasant, but more of the same. it is time for the president to be serious and come back with a counter offer. [inaudible question] >> the risk the president wants us to take, increasing tax rates will hit many small businesses that produce 60-70% of the new jobs in our country. that is the whole issue. [inaudible question] >> i think that is reckless talk. [inaudible question] >> listen, raising
refusing to give up hope on the fiscal cliff. the dow and s&p 500 gained post-election day tumble. the dow climbed 13 points for its fourth straight game. >>> more trouble for once untouchable apple. jeffries cut its price target by 100 bucks down to $480 a share. shares fell by more than half a percent on the news. >>> now on to our top story. tonight is taxes and how hard we are all about to get hit. there are already a trillion in tax increases baked right into the obamacare law and that means upper being in earners will see billions of dollars in tax hikes as it is. for democrats it is not enough. with republican lawmakers backing off the pledge not to raise taxes looks like tax hikes for the wealthy are certainty. joining for more, grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. thanks so much for joining us. >> absolutely you say a lot of people are missing the fact that obamacare baked in a ton of tax hikes for wealthier americans as it is? >> people talk about the fiscal cliff as if it is one thing. it is three. there's the obamacare taxes. to pay for obamacare were delayed
why. >>> a group of democratic heavyweights one up the president's fiscal cliff plan. forget hitting the rich. alcohol, cigarettes, online gambling, nothing is safe. will the payoff be worth of the pain? we'll debate it. >>> are the salvation army bell ringer jobs only for sexy ladies. one man claims he was fired to make way for beautiful women. is it unfair or good business? even when they say it's not it is always about "money." melissa: all right. first let's take a look at the day's market headlines. you would think the markets would stop getting faked out by the fiscal cliff optimism, would you? but apparently not. that and better than expected data from the service sector sent the dow to a one-month high. >> it was a different story for the nasdaq weighed down by tumbling shares of apple. it had a 6 1/2% decline there and it is the biggest one day loss in four years. fears are growing that the ipad could be losing market share to android based tablets. >>> layoffs music to the ears of citigroup investors. the bank is slashing 11,000 jobs and taking one billion dollar fourth qua
close to this fiscal cliff, both sides agreeing to get serious. we have heard the house speaker will update us on the talks within that hour from house floor. we will hear what speaker banner has to say. joining us right now are to congressman. would you vote if there was an agreement? >> i think it will be a balanced plan that will increase revenues by raising the rates on upper income families, but, at the same time, agreeing to substantial cuts. connell: the reason i started by asking that question is because i am sure it is frustrating, the members of congress to not be involved in this. this is two guys behind closed doors. what about from your side of it. will the speaker have the votes, even if he gives in? >> we do not know. as you suggested, you cannot have 218 or 435 or 535 people in a room trying to negotiate. this is the way you kind of have to do it. one on one. he needs 217 other people in the house and 60 people in the senate to make that deal because law and actually ring that deal through. i do not think there is any guarantees either way. connell: what cannot b
the recovery in housing. remember that? we are always talking about fiscal cliff but what about housing? is everything in your portfolio still depend on a recovery or is having an overall market driver lost its punch? liz and saunders, chief investment strategist at charles schwab and which sidles through and why she thinks the recovery is just beginning. this company depends on you making trades for your portfolio and so far you the retail investor are still on the sidelines. td ameritrade joe moakley weighs in on that, on whether the age of the supersized bank is over and the massive life change he made off of the sidelines and into a real football game. let's get to the floor show. we have freighters at the stock exchange, cme group and nynex. give me your thoughts. we go through grinding higher as far as the broader markets are concerned except for the russell which is looking weaker right now. just turned positive. we are all green for the major indices. does this continue through tomorrow? >> hard to tell. if you look at the way the markets have traded on an intraday basis we have
stet. they watched the latest sparri over the fiscal cliff. stocks weighed between sitive and negative territory. shares of netflix soaring re than 14% you wow! the compan announcedexclusive dib shun deal with disney. ey will get first run reaming rights for disne films benning in 201 gold prices losing their shine. the commodity tbledelow $1700 a ounce hitti a one-month low. >> to our to story, no bias or bul oney" will lay it out for you. all the talk about can't fall off the fiscal clf, we say why not? it may not the worse option? maybe it is. none of them stop the problem. we'll take a look. here to crunch t number, stephen hayes, fox news ntributor andwriter for he weekly standard." thanks for coming on to brave the math. bothides get so emotiol here. it is not abt emotion, it is about the numberand what will save this country. oking at the real nbers the fiscal cliff. werojeed it out over 10 years if we sow you the big fufull screene made and numbers look pretty scary from tax perspective ther if we went er the fiscal clit would increase taxes 5.6 trillion. that is 10-year perio
in washington. speak up for the fiscal cliff is part of the half trillion dollars in cuts to the pentagon. the defense has been saying we will not plan for sequestration's because they don't want to be cautious because it is like a gun to the head. they're now looking into planning for this because we are getting pretty late, and that may become a reality. back to you. melissa: rich edson, thank you so much. lori: let's continue this discussion. it is going to happen, it is exactly what the democrats want. according to scott hodge of the tax foundation. what are some alternatives to raising revenue? joining me with some ideas. to your point, you're written quite extensively on this topic. it seems the economy is poised to fall off the cliff and that's what the democrats and the president wants to happen. >> they want to allow all the bush tax cuts to expire. it happens naturally automatically. they don't even have to vote for it. in january we had to lower taxes for everybody. getting it very simply. lori: a lot of people are concerned. if we do go over the cliff, there's no resolution fo
it be to see as part of the fiscal cliff resolutions and near term stimulus? the president has proposed that. how helpful d think that will be and i will ask my follow-up now. what ever happened to your southern accent? >> on the second one, i would like to think i am bilingual. when i go home sometimes it comes out pretty strongly but i won't try to do that here. i try to be careful as you know, not to give views on specific tax spending programs. of course, those are the province of the administration and congress. the attitude i have taken has been the at a minimum congress should try to do no harm, they should try to avoid policies that significantly slow or derail the recovery. that is the critical thing along with long term objective of achieving a sustainable fiscal path. given that basic recommendation congress can consider variations. for example if they believe they can achieve a strong, credible future path for fiscal policy that will give them potentially some space to do something more expansionary in the short term but those are judgments congress has to make about whether they
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